Date: Apr 26, 2015 06:20 pm Title: The Basics
off topic I know but I just wanted to pop in and say you're welcome to contact me so we could talk things out one on one.
Date: Apr 12, 2015 05:25 am Title: The Basics
Hey Redone, I was wondering if you could do me a solid and read my story, Reflected Soul, and give me your honest opinion on what I could do better. I'm a writer, but sometimes I lapse back into old habits with my writing and things tend to become a bit muddled. Thanks a bunch! :)
Date: Apr 04, 2015 03:22 pm Title: The Basics
I've been meaning to say that this is very important, this whole guide, and I'm glad you're doing it. Great tips and Ideas that are helping me with my narratives in general. Thank you!
Thanks for letting me know that you've found it useful!
Date: Mar 25, 2015 08:44 am Title: The Basics
I apologize if my last post came off as trying to change your opinion on dreams in a story. It really wasn't my intention. It was more for a personal inquiry outside of stories. Dreams are a personal interest of mine and I know some people don't feel they have any bearing on our reality. I was just being nosy. Lol. Your answer did cover things though so thank you for that and bearing with me.
It kinda did, so I'm glad to hear that wasn't your intention. Sorry if I was short. I believe that dreams can have a significant impact in some ways, but not in the scenarios you described. For instance, PTSD is often expressed in dreams that feature a trauma being in some way repeated and reexperienced. One might then avoid sleep, use substances to try and block the dreams or decrease arousal, leading to substance dependence or legal issues. Or, because of poor sleep and being constantly on edge, they might become more irritable, argumentative, and emotional with others. A similar change in personality could be said for having sleep terrors or sleep paralysis. The point being, these are very significant and worrisome conditions, and not typical dreams.
Now, dreams (and nightmares) in general, can key one into their feelings/stresses/distress that they might not otherwise be aware of. Now, am I a fan of dream dictionaries or whatnot? Generally not. Too formulaic and removed from context, imo.
Date: Mar 24, 2015 08:25 pm Title: The Basics
Lol cool cause I love discussions too. And it's no sweat at all bb we're sharing thoughts and ideas and I'm always open...<3
Let me pick your brain further...
So this thought is less about the stories in general and more about experience vs theory.(<--I can't think of a better word to fit right now)I'll use the example of stubbing my toe. I can have an in depth discussion with you about stubbing my toe he possible feelings and harm that can come from it etc. I can even watch people stub their toes And try to understand how they're dealing with the feelings from it. To go even furher I could reminisce on having stubbed my toe before but the only way I can truly know what stubbing my toe on that particular corner of the coffee table feels like is to actually stub my toe on that corner. How does this correlate? If you dreamt about stubbing your toe on that corner and the feeling is fresh in your mind, it might as well had happened physically cause you recall the pain even the small cut you got from it, that expereince would make me want to stay away or at least be weary of that corner of the coffee table. So that being said do you think that outside of stories that is, that a dream can provide you with foresight? or is it more of a hindrance cause you can't live your life avoiding the coffee table just because of a dream?
I think dreams can definitely provide insight. Jungian psychology exists for a reason. I'm not exactly sure what you are asking as there are several hypothetical questions in there. What I've been trying to say, and what I am not going to change my opinion on, is that I do not think that a dream justifies significant OOC actions. I could see a slight and brief modification of action, but not a significant and lasting change. Does that in anyway answer any of your questions? I hope so!
Date: Mar 16, 2015 10:47 am Title: The Basics
I just found this survey on tumblr about defining and describing your OC's. It was honestly SO useful! They ask you the normal questions, but then a lot of in depth ones that make you think about not only who the OC is as a person, but what their point is within the story and how their arc should be played out GIVEN THEIR PERSONALITY. Maybe you could post this in an author's note of yours--it could be really useful to people who are planning stories, have writer's block, or are trying to figure out the direction of their story and the characters. It's a little lengthy, but honestly so, so, so good to just sit down and think about this stuff. There were a lot of questions I'd never even considered in terms of Julia and I feel like I've learned a whole lot about my writing style and the direction of my story :)
Shoot - I missed this before. Is it the survey that you find helpful, or is it the results? The results seem focused on gender, sexual orientation, race, and some personality factors (e.g. warmth, dominance, emotional stability). The results read like a social psych experiment.
Do you find the questions more helpful than:
? I'm looking to update a previous segment and will bump it when I do so. I'll wait until I hear back from you, though ;)
Date: Mar 13, 2015 08:21 am Title: The Basics
Well, I tend to agree that a lot of the critique, especially in the review section (take mine for example) is people's subjective opinions. But that doesn't mean it's less helpful for those who want to improve or get more comments. Many writers enjoy writing stories to entertain their readers. It's just easier for them to do so when they know what their readers like. Also, people's tastes vary and it's interesting to share and see what people have in common. At the end of the day, it is completely up to the writer to choose which points to take or leave. You are perfectly free to write a love story inspired by a telenovela or a horror fic with vampire MJ sucking kids' blood. Go as far as your imagination allows. And if you like, u can rite a hole story lyke dis.
Totally agree. I feel as though I prefaced the fact that this is partly my opinion, in my summary.
i shud rite a chaptr lyk dat. Id rawk dat shit owt
Date: Mar 12, 2015 08:09 pm Title: The Basics
Very interesting and this review is kinda long sorry lol
I know Im going to be in the underdog here but I agree with Coco as well and I actually think Coco made some really good points in their last comments.
Some of the critiques and recommendations here are actually really good pointers but I feel some of these critiques are just subjective opinions about "what some don't or don't like in a story" not necessarily pointers on how to improve as a writer. Now I understand everyone has their own personal style of MJ fan fiction writing that they prefer reading and that's fine.
However, I don't see why all fan fiction writers have to write in a "standard way" when its creative writing. Some of these "rules" kinda defeats that purpose in my opinion.
The whole point of MJ fanfiction writing(in my opinion ;) is out of pure love for Michael. We are all here because we are MJ fans. I don't see why people should be artistically restricted in how they choose to express that in their story or fantasy. I am in no way trying to offend :) but just being honest with how some of the critiques came off to me in my opinion.
In my opinion, I think we all should be encouraging each other as writers and supporting each other and not looking down on each other's works ( whos is the best writer or who is not the best writer- now of course there are always going to be more talented and creative writers but I feel all works and ideas should at least be valued and respected).
It's one thing to say, "Yea this can help with grammar or developing a story plot" but it is another to try to dictate ideas and concepts someone should or should not put in their writing if they "want more reviews".
I don't think everyone who writes a story here comes here for that. Maybe some people write stories because that's what they enjoy doing. Maybe some people are not striving to be "perfect" writers and this is just something they do for fun because they love Michael or because they like writing because it makes them feel good (there can be many reasons but just giving some examples)
I just don't like this whole "elite" rulemaking of MJ fanfiction writing and I don't think whether someone has a lot of reviews or a lot reads dictates whether a story is a good story or not. I guess I am trying to say,it might not necessarily be the writing that is the problem but maybe every story is not for everybody (and thats okay) but at least creative freedom is respected and encourage. Once again, I am in no way trying to offend with this opinion but just my personal opinion about some of the suggestions stated.
I appreciate you breathing more information to what Coco was saying. I was hoping she'd expand upon her comment. :)
My thought is that these "rules" aren't rigid. They vary by case, so I'm not quite sure what you mean by "standard". They are often flexible, as I've conveyed over and over. Those that aren't, are generally identified in highly regarded published literature vs. that which is often relegated to discount stores.
I have also stated time and again that these are a combination of my opinion, the opinions of others, and research I've done. I'm sorry if I haven't made that clear enough :/
As to encouraging each other, I believe several reviewers have stated that this helps inspire them on how to develop as a writer. That is my goal - to encourage writers/budding writers to feel like they have more information/assistance in developing their stories. Often people start writing without a clear sense of what they are doing, then 2-20 chapters in...they stop. They hit "writer's block" or feel trapped by where they took their story. My intention is to help writers avoid that block and/or overcome it when they get there. IMO perfection is unattainable, but progress is always a goal.
About your "want more reviews" point. Fair enough. How about if I say, "if they want more people to stay engaged in their stories and/or take interest"? I just mention reviews as those are an excellent means of finding out whether people are staying engaged, what they think about one's story, and lessening the void that one faces when posting a chapter into the great abyss of the interwebz.
I notice that you are focusing a lot on reviews. Is there a reason that point is so salient to you? What if I removed that entirely and the focus was just on becoming a better writer and/or deepening and strengthening fanfiction?
I think assumming that I am poo-poo-ing creative freedom is a gross overstatement. There are tons of different types of FF that I've favorited, that I read, that I'll give shout outs to. Now, if by creative freedom you mean that I'm not down with people portraying Michael as a sex offender or in sexual relationships with minors, then I'll cop to that. Then again, I suppose you could say the same thing for this site as it doesn't condone such writings.
I apologize if I'm terse - long day and I'm trying to go through each point directly. I hope you stick around and reply. I would really like to further operationalize some of the points you've made. That will help me know exactly where I might need to make changes and/or where I'm not being explicit enough.
Date: Mar 10, 2015 04:41 pm Title: The Basics
I guess it's just repetitive to me. It seems like 9/10 OGs are virgins (which in itself is fine, that's definitely not the issue!) But I normally just see this as the trope that the girl should "lose it to Michael" or that he'll only ever be her "one and only" and that kind of just makes me roll my eyes. Even worse, when the OG isn't a virgin and then suddenly that becames an entire ordeal because Michael can't fathom it. I just don't like virginity story lines, lol.
TL;DR= too long, didn't read+summary afterwards. lol, sorry i go on reddit too much.
clichés in my story...hmm...Diana and Brooke both being a "bad guys," I suppose. Julia using Harry to deny her feelings for Michael. I can't think of anything else, but I now they're there! If you can ever think of any/spot any as they develop, feel free to call me out :) I'm pretty much the least sensitive author, bahaha.
LOL. I think a lot of the authors on here are either a) virgins b)wish they could have a "do over" with regards to their first time and/or c) choose an age that is/would be appropriate for a virgin
Wha??? I need to know of these stories in which Michael can't get over the girl not being a virgin.
Well, I'll be. Now I feel like a n00b
Ah, true. I like Ross as a diva who is always looking for the more powerful guy . I asked b/c I seriously couldn't think of any off the top of my head. You've avoided a TON of cliches. Thinking about it, Julia doesn't fit any of the major cliches...Michael doesn't.... maybe her meeting him backstage?
Date: Mar 10, 2015 03:20 pm Title: The Basics
@coco, I gotta agree with @brandyandMJ. We're just generating discussion about something that we love! Some of the stuff is funny just to commiserate over and other points are wonderful to apply to your own writing. No one's been called out and no one's forced to read this piece. This is a thread for writers that like learning from other writers, like critiqueing their own works, and like talking about MJ/the fandom.
Thanks Ann. :) I hope Coco chimes in on what exactly she feels like is contrary to Michael's style/legacy/memory.
Date: Mar 08, 2015 02:11 pm Title: The Basics
It is in the water out here. STL has a high crime rate. It's always high up on those top ten crime rate cities lists. All kinds of crazy things happen around this area.
I suppose that's the thing. I hear and see this kind of thing happen, however when I see it, it is usually in a crime-involved population (used to be the murder capital....probably still is, the murders are just better hidden). Unless Michael is very OOC, I can't see him connecting with a partner who would go anymore batshit than LiMP did. So, I guess that is a fair amount of batshit crazy? LOL. Still, exes conspiring together? That's too much for me.
Date: Mar 05, 2015 10:50 am Title: The Basics
Yeah, I did. The beginning of the first one was kinda slow for me, but I trudged on like you said. It honestly went from being really boring to being like grippingly good within the span of like 5 pages!
I think it's probably the most accurate depiction of Michael and his life that I've seen.
Now if only she'd finish it...I need to know how she's magically going to be able to have a baby now!
Agreed on the rate at which it ramps up and the realism of her depiction of Michael. I hope you commented....I posted a few in hopes that it would motivate her. They only just reopened the forum in order to get more people to comment and motivate Carol.